13:00:34 <bh526r> #startmeeting Weekly Technical Discussion 155
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13:01:55 <bh526r> #topic Roll Call
13:02:00 <bh526r> #info Bin Hu
13:02:07 <bh526r> #info Cedric Ollivier
13:02:07 <jentoio> #info Jack Morgan
13:02:12 <mj_rex> #info Rex Lee
13:02:24 <bh526r> #info Georg Kunz
13:02:48 <bh526r> #info Jim Baker
13:03:05 <bh526r> #info Mark Shostak
13:03:12 <bh526r> #info Mike Fix
13:03:44 <bh526r> #info Denver Williams
13:03:50 <bh526r> #info Pierre Lynch
13:05:07 <bh526r> #info Guangzhi Yang
13:05:27 <bh526r> #info Manuel Buil
13:06:22 <bh526r> #topic Community Input to TSC Logistics
13:08:14 <bh526r> #info Trevor Cooper
13:09:11 <bh526r> #info Jack Morgan started the problem statement, i.e. Wiki notes is not enough, so Jim Baker started the topic of recording TSC meeting
13:09:27 <mbeierl> #info Mark Beierl
13:09:45 <bh526r> #info Trevor Cooper indicated that the real issue we need to solve is the minutes.
13:10:01 <bh526r> #info Recording the meeting is not the only way to address the issue.
13:10:33 <bh526r> #info We don't feel we are tackling the issues, but only the pros and cons of recording.
13:11:14 <bh526r> #info We took the vote, but people really didn't understand what we really voted, and what we really tried to address
13:11:44 <bh526r> #info Looking back to the email thread, it is very confusing.
13:12:28 <bh526r> #info Georg indicated that we still need to improve the minutes, and recording is a tool to address this issue. Georg considered it as optional offering
13:14:10 <bh526r> #info Trevor disagreed, and indicated that it is very sensitive topic, not only cultural thing, but personal reasons, and really make persons hesitant to be engaged in meetings
13:15:28 <bh526r> #info Georg asked if anyone has issues with recording, because other communities all do recording.
13:15:52 <bh526r> #info Georg thinks it is a valid choice
13:16:31 <bh526r> #info Jack Morgan thinks it is LFN's normal practice
13:17:26 <bh526r> #info Mark said he missed several TSC meetings, and recording will be helpful to him.
13:26:15 <bh526r> #info Bin gave security concern, and an example how real person's voice can be edited to something else.
13:28:29 <ollivier> #info Cédric asked how can TSC vote a new constraint without diving into security and legals and more it simply divided the community which is not our first target.
13:28:54 <bh526r> #info Jack Morgan also agreed that recording without all-party's consent is a crime in California
13:30:20 <ollivier> #info Cédric doesn't consider the first motivations as clear and we are still finding the root causes.
13:30:52 <mbeierl> #Jack also pointed out that anyone can record the meeting.
13:30:55 <mbeierl> #unfo
13:31:08 <mbeierl> #info Jack also pointed out that anyone can record the meeting
13:31:24 <bh526r> #info Trevor indicated that whether or not other community is recording is irrelevant of our community
13:31:37 <mbeierl> #info The editing and publishing of such a meeting cannot be refuted due to the fact that there is no official recording, so security concerns should be even more so relevant without recording
13:32:43 <acmacm> #info Al Morton (listening in a noisy coffee shop)
13:36:59 <bh526r> #info Cedric mentioned that we cannot address this topic without addressing legal concerns.
13:40:52 <bh526r> #info Al Morton
13:42:50 <bh526r> #info Cedric indicated that we have voted something that is very unclear in terms of legal complications, security concerns, etc.
13:44:45 <ollivier> #info Cédric it would have been voted -1 in code reviews due to a simple misconception.
13:47:45 <bh526r> #info Cedric suggested that everyone can take ownership, and take note of whatever that person wants to present
13:51:25 <bh526r> #info Trevor indicated that there is no clear policy, etc.
13:52:07 <bh526r> #info So it is wrong way. So we need to have policy regarding meeting minutes.
13:53:55 <bh526r> #info Jack suggested that we should start with how to run TSC meeting
13:54:42 <bh526r> #info Bin made it clear that TSC business needs to be discussed in TSC meeting, not in community meeting
13:56:02 <bh526r> #info Jack gave Trevor an action to propose how to address that issue
13:57:04 <acmacm> #info TSC has a policy that the meeting minutes must be approved. This would give participants a chance to correct IRC minutes, if necessary.  This was important a few minutes ago...
13:59:11 <bh526r> #info Mark B made it clear that according to discussion, recording cannot be implemented until policy and procedure is well defined to address those legal and security concerns. So no recording tomorrow Oct 22
14:02:59 <bh526r> #info Mark B clarified that in TSC meeting on Oct 15, next step is to define policy procedure. We are not making decision for TSC, but clarify what TSC decided last week. So the clarification is from what TSC decided last week
14:04:17 <bh526r> #info No other business
14:04:22 <bh526r> #info Meeting adjourned
14:04:25 <bh526r> #endmeeting