15:03:07 <dmcbride_> #startmeeting Colorado Release
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15:03:19 <mtahhan_> #info Maryam Tahhan
15:03:31 <uli-k> #info Uli Kleber (Octopus)
15:03:33 <RayNugent_> # info RayNugent
15:03:33 <anac_> #info Ana Cunha (Yardstick)
15:03:41 <ChrisPriceAB> Colorado goto https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/798898261
15:03:43 <mbeierl> #info Mark Beierl (StorPerf)
15:04:00 <ChrisPriceAB> #info Chris Price (lurking)
15:04:27 <dmcbride_> #chair ChrisPriceAB
15:04:27 <collabot`> Current chairs: ChrisPriceAB dmcbride_
15:04:37 * mbeierl wonders if Lurking is a new project proposal...
15:05:04 <jose_lausuch> #info jose_lausuch (functest)
15:06:34 <billyo> #info Billy O'Mahony
15:07:26 <frankbrockners> #info Frank Brockners (Genesis, FDS)
15:07:58 <GeraldK> #info Gerald Kunzmann (audio only)
15:07:58 <ChrisPriceAB> is the above goto link the right one or is it stale?
15:08:20 <frankbrockners> it says TSC meeting for me...
15:08:31 <GeraldK> yes. same for me.
15:08:31 <mtahhan_> https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/971789629
15:08:59 <frankbrockners> looks like the OL invite also needs updating...
15:09:04 <dmcbride_> #chair frankbrockners
15:09:04 <collabot`> Current chairs: ChrisPriceAB dmcbride_ frankbrockners
15:16:21 * ChrisPriceAB doesn't have audio right now (and there's no scribing on IRC :)
15:18:07 <bryan_att> #info Bryan Sullivan
15:30:05 <RayNugent_> # info Is there a place on the wiki where we have a clear definition of what a project, scenario, feature and test are?
15:36:35 <GeraldK> #info proposal to have a call where test project can explain their intent
15:36:57 <GeraldK> #undo
15:37:03 <GeraldK> #info proposal to have a call where all test projects can explain their intent
15:38:27 <GeraldK> dmcbride_, are the slides available in the Wiki?
15:43:42 <GeraldK> #info there will be two feature freezes, one for feature projects, the other one for non-feature projects
15:44:52 <GeraldK> #undo
15:46:57 <GeraldK> #info proposed feature freeze dates in reply to dmcbride_'s email resulted in a proposed feature freeze date of July 1st and release date of Oct 3rd
15:47:10 <GeraldK> #info this would break our 6 month release cadence
15:47:56 <GeraldK> #info uli-k proposes projects need to have smaller goals per release so that we can releaser quicker
15:49:13 <GeraldK> #info dmcbride_: we are trying to expand the number of Linux platforms, so we would need more time for this
15:50:06 <GeraldK> #info then we should stop this. the Board wants us to follow a 6 month release cadence
15:50:51 <GeraldK> #info concerns that the release plan shows to much details and such complexity will slow us down
15:52:04 <GeraldK> i agree, we should have sufficient time between feature freeze and release date
15:52:25 <GeraldK> in particular as there is summer vacation in between
15:53:59 <GeraldK> #info frankbrockners: let's not hang up on the release date, let's first the time we need between two milestones. tasks can be done in parallel, it is not waterfall
15:54:35 <GeraldK> #info ChrisPriceAB: all code should be ready by points 3+4. what is meaning of point 6?
15:55:53 <GeraldK> #info seems there is some uncertainty about what the different steps mean.
15:56:54 <GeraldK> #info in Brahmaputra there was a big issue that projects did not know clearly what the milestones actually meant
15:57:59 <GeraldK> #info from the around 16 projects that replied to dmcbride_ only 2 or 3 indicated feature freeze in May, but most indicated June or July
15:58:36 <GeraldK> i have no mic, but again, I also see the need to have 2 month between feature freeze and release date
15:59:15 <GeraldK> #info considering summer vacation we need sufficient time between freeze and release
15:59:54 <GeraldK> #info comments that there are always vacations all over the globe, so we should not take this into account
16:01:48 <RayNugent_> # info - Key points are 1) we are a time based release not content based. 2) the current process is pure waterfall, we should be more agile
16:02:53 <dmcbride_> #endmeeting