09:47 < cgoncalves> aricg: hi. we dearly miss our collabot fellow :-)
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09:52 < aricg> cgoncalves: Yeah I saw,
09:52 < aricg> restarting the bot didnt work.
09:52 < aricg> digging now
09:54 < aricg> Whee
09:54 < aricg>  supybot Error message from freenode: Closing Link: gateway/shell/linux-foundation/session (Too many user connections (global))
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09:57 < aricg> ChrisPriceAB: This is unexpected, I'm not going to have the meetbot back in the channel in the next 4 minutes.
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09:58 < Parviz> #infp Parviz Yegani
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09:58 < ljlamers> #info Larry Lamers (ljlamers)
09:59 < uli-k> #info Uli Kleber
09:59 < ChrisPriceAB> Thanks aricg
09:59 < narindergupta> #info Narinder Gupta
10:01 < aricg> ChrisPriceAB: I'll copy and paste the meeting in some rough way to the meetbot server.
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10:01 < ChrisPriceAB> Ok, aricg we will proceed
10:01 < ChrisPriceAB> #info Chris Price
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10:01 < Gerald_> #info Gerald Kunzmann (DOCOMO)
10:02 < hui_> #info Hui
10:02 < tallgren> #info Tapio Tallgren
10:02 < frankbrockners> #info Frank Brockners
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10:02 < colindixon> #info colindixon for Tom Nadeau
10:02 < ChrisPriceAB> #topic Approval of previous minutes
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10:03 < ChrisPriceAB> #agree Minutes approved by the TSC
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10:03 < ChrisPriceAB> #topic Agenda Bashing
10:03 < ChrisPriceAB> #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/wiki/tsc TSC agenda
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10:04 < morgan_orange> #info Morgan Richomme
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10:04 < bryan_att> #info Bryan Sullivan
10:04 < RayNugent> # info RayNugent
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10:05 < RayNugent> #info RayNugent
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10:05 < Wenjing> #info Wenjing
10:05 < rajeev_> #info Rajeev Koodli
10:05 < ChrisPriceAB> #info heather would like to add CFP for the OPNFV summit
10:05 < ildikov> #info Ildiko Vancsa
10:06 < ChrisPriceAB> #info Luke would like to present some security topics and discuss performing an audit.
10:06 < fdegir> #info Fatih Degirmenci
10:06 < anac1> #info Ana Cunha
10:08 < ChrisPriceAB> #info Uli raises everyones attention to the proposal for stable release handling
10:08 < ChrisPriceAB> #topic Release 2 naming
10:09 < ebrjohn> What was the Release 2 name?
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10:09 < HKirksey> Could you type it in?
10:09 < Parviz> What's the name?
10:09 < Thinh_> #info Thinh Nguyenphu
10:09 < ChrisPriceAB> #info The vote is in for the release 2 name.  The highest polling name was "brahmaputra"
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10:11 < frankbrockners> #link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmaputra_River
10:11 < ildikov> Hmm, it seems to be the only male river in India... :)
10:12 < ebrjohn> How do you tell the difference between male and female rivers??
10:12 < ChrisPriceAB> #topic Bitgeria contributor analytic tool
10:12 < ChrisPriceAB> #undo
10:12 < ChrisPriceAB> #topic HackFest planning
10:13 < ChrisPriceAB> #info planning is ongoing with the HackFest planning volunteers, a meeting will be held shortly discussions will be structured on the etherpad
10:13 < rpaik> #link https://etherpad.opnfv.org/p/OPNFV_at_ODL therpad for the next hackfest
10:15 < ChrisPriceAB> #info the OPNFV hackfest overlaps exactly with the ODL hackfest (in the same conference center)
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10:16 < ChrisPriceAB> #info Colin and Phil should be involved in the planning in order that we are able to coordinate topics and activities through the two days
10:17 < bryan_att> #info I plan to setup a hackfest session that will demo service function chaining and policy management based upon ODL GBP and OpenStaCK Congress, based upon a set of VMs that can be chained
                   into a working/useful service chain, and packaged as a VNF, then processed and installed on Arno.
10:17 < ebrjohn> Are we talking about the ODL summit in California or the ODL hackfest in Prague?
10:18 < ChrisPriceAB> California
10:18 < rpaik> ODL dev Summit in California
10:18  * ebrjohn ok thanks
10:18 < alagalah> bryan_att: Cool
10:19 < ChrisPriceAB> #info dneary asks about collaboration with the ETSI NFV ISG
10:20 < ChrisPriceAB> #info heather responds that outreach has been done, although more effort is required to provide a concrete proposal of areas of overlap
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10:22 < ChrisPriceAB> #info Thihn outlines that OPNFV should likely reach out to the TST group to understand the proposed ways of working and collaborating
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10:24 < Thinh_> thinh.nguyenphu@nokia.com as NFV EVE WG chair
10:24 < ChrisPriceAB> #topic Bitgeria contributor analytic tool
10:25 < ChrisPriceAB> #info rpaik outlines the need for a tool to track contributions form the technical community, in terms of code, reviews, e-mail, wiki etc...
10:26 < ChrisPriceAB> #info bitgeria is a recommended tool which has been investigated.  They can track all tools used by OPNFV including the "docuwiki".
10:26 < julien_ZTE> #info Julien
10:26 < rpaik> #link http://bitergia.com/ Bitergia homepage
10:28 < ChrisPriceAB> #info feedback has been positive from known users of the tool
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10:29 < julien_ZTE> #info not farmiliar with bitergia. can we use tools or statistics like link http://stackalytics.com/
10:30 < rpaik> #link http://activity.openstack.org/dash/browser/ OpenStack dashboard
10:33 < fdegir> agree with julien_ZTE
10:34 < Gerald_K> #info there are some concerns around collection and processing of personal data
10:34 < fdegir> rpaik: Do you know if bitergia provide stackalytics type of dashboard?
10:35 < rpaik> fdegir yes they do
10:35 < rpaik> see the link I provided above
10:35 < fdegir> thx rpaik
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10:36 < ChrisPriceAB> #topic CFP for the OPNFV summit
10:36 < Gerald_K> #link http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/data-collection/legal/index_en.htm
10:37 < ChrisPriceAB> #info heather reminds the community about the call for papers that is open for our OPNFV summit in November.
10:37 < dku> http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/opnfv-summit/program/cfp
10:37 < ChrisPriceAB> #link http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/opnfv-summit/program/cfp link to the call for papers
10:38 < ChrisPriceAB> #info the call for papers is planned to be closed during early August
10:38 < bryan_att> Gerald_K, the first bullet on that page references "Where the individual concerned, (the 'data subject'), has unambiguously given his or her consent, after being adequately informed;" - this
                   is in essence covered by the OPNFV CLA
10:38 < ChrisPriceAB> #info inform upstream communities to participate and propose cfp's
10:39 < bryan_att> IANAL, but tht is how I read it.
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10:40 < ChrisPriceAB> #topic Committer roles & forge author identity
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10:41 < Gerald_K> bryan_att, no, this I discussed with our DPO as well: the company is mandating us to work on this topic - it is not our free choice
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10:42 < Gerald_K> seems there is also a related discussion in OpenStack: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/057332.html
10:42 < Gerald_K> the legal situation in EU is completely different here than compared to US
10:43 < Gerald_K> see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Protection_Directive
10:43 < bryan_att> Gerald_K, your company has a choice to have you work (or not) in this community. The terms of that participation are in the CLA. So your company is agreeing to that on your behalf as an
                   employee. You of course always have the option of seeking another job... but the CLA is a legal agreement.
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10:44 < Gerald_K> bryan_att, I am not a lawyer, but seems the situation is not as easy as you describe. I just wanted to raise some awareness here. I will let you know once I receive the written report by our
                  DPO
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10:49 < rpaik> #info helps project teams be more agile (e.g. when author is out, simple fixes, etc.)
10:50 < rajeev_> frankbrockners: sounds good
10:50 < ebrjohn> Sounds very reasonable to only allow commiters to do this
10:50 < ChrisPriceAB> #info frankbrockners proposes we try allowing forge author for a period of three months and revise the decision based on practical feedback
10:50 < uli-k> did we ever have a case where we needed it?
10:51 < aricg> uli-k:  not personally.
10:51 < aricg> but It's been requested
10:52 < fdegir> we don't have to use it, but there are cases this would help as explained
10:52 < ebrjohn> They listed several reasons on the phone: someone's no longer available, they're on vacation, out of the office, etc or someone needs help with their patch
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10:52 < ebrjohn> Its not absolutely necessary, but can definitely make things easier
10:52 < uli-k> I know the theoretic cases.
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10:53 < fdegir> whitespaces, small fixes
10:53 < bryan_att> Gerald_K, we must avoid that in the interest of privacy, nothing is possible or can be collaborated on. For example, is it illegal to provide data analytics tools? What is "personal" (and in
                   what context)? Must all contribution be anonymous? At most, I think we should provide an "opt-in/out" option for inclusion of data in reports.
10:53 < fdegir> and all the unavailability cases
10:53 < fdegir> rebases
10:53 < ebrjohn> fdegir: that's an excellent point, rebasing someone elses code is indeed very handy
10:53 < ChrisPriceAB> #agree The TSC agree's to allow forge author identities on respositories to be revised in 3 months.
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10:54 < ChrisPriceAB> #action aricg to enable forge author on the repo's.
10:54 < ChrisPriceAB> #topic  TSC & Board joint meeting July 27th Santa Clara
10:56 < rpaik> #info schedule is between 2-6pm
10:56 < ChrisPriceAB> #info topics include, B-Release planning and acivity, C&C committee report.
10:56 < Gerald_K> bryan_att, i agree we should discuss on which data should really be collected and processed. by limiting it to a minimum and having a clear motivation why it is collected I think we can better
                  meet the legal requirements in Europe. completely ignoring the legal situation should be avoided.
10:56 < ChrisPriceAB> #topic Requirements projects development process
10:57 < ChrisPriceAB> #info uli reports that the requirements project dev process is ongoing, nothing to report yet
10:57 < ChrisPriceAB> #topic Pharos plans action point
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10:58 < ChrisPriceAB> #info LF support activity kick-off is being arranged
10:58 < ChrisPriceAB> #info testing strategy kick-off for release 2 is also being arranged.
11:00 < ChrisPriceAB> #topic Security group report.
11:01 < ChrisPriceAB> #info Luke raises the idea of performing a security audit of a deployed Arno platform
11:01 < ChrisPriceAB> #info this process will identify any identifiable issues and establish some best practices for OPNFV moving forward.
11:01 < ChrisPriceAB> #info Luke asks for feedbck on the proposal from the TSC
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11:02 < ChrisPriceAB> #info This will in addition provide a mechanism to dry run the vulnerability management process being defined by the security group.
11:04 < rajeev_> Good idea. Details on the process on ML?
11:04 < ebrjohn> He sounds very quiet to me
11:05  * frankbrockners likes the idea of an audit but wonders who'd do the work
11:08 < ChrisPriceAB> #info Luke outlines that he would need a lab and some voluntary assistance to perform the audit.
11:09 < ChrisPriceAB> #info frank asks why not make a project for the audit activity.
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11:13 < ChrisPriceAB> #action Luke to create a proposal for the audit activity as a project.
11:15 < ChrisPriceAB> #topic Project creation review for OpenContrail Quickstart
11:15 < ChrisPriceAB> #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/project_proposals/ocq project proposal
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11:26 < Gerald_K> #info FrankB questions why such project is needed. to get visibility, we could also just link to existing OpenContrail git
11:26 < Gerald_K> #info UliK: what is relation to different installers? no installer needed as images are distributed
11:27 < Gerald_K> #info later plan is to support multiple installers
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11:27 < Gerald_K> #info this is kind of "startup project", plan to superseed this in the future with a "real" project
11:27 < Gerald_K> #info goal is to get hands-on experience and create visibility
11:29 < Gerald_K> #info rprakash: is this just a sandbox installation (there are some sandboxes already available in our Wiki)? basically yes
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11:02 < ChrisPriceAB> #info This will in addition provide a mechanism to dry run the vulnerability management process being defined by the security group.
11:04 < rajeev_> Good idea. Details on the process on ML?
11:04 < ebrjohn> He sounds very quiet to me
11:05  * frankbrockners likes the idea of an audit but wonders who'd do the work
11:08 < ChrisPriceAB> #info Luke outlines that he would need a lab and some voluntary assistance to perform the audit.
11:09 < ChrisPriceAB> #info frank asks why not make a project for the audit activity.
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11:13 < ChrisPriceAB> #action Luke to create a proposal for the audit activity as a project.
11:15 < ChrisPriceAB> #topic Project creation review for OpenContrail Quickstart
11:15 < ChrisPriceAB> #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/project_proposals/ocq project proposal
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11:26 < Gerald_K> #info FrankB questions why such project is needed. to get visibility, we could also just link to existing OpenContrail git
11:26 < Gerald_K> #info UliK: what is relation to different installers? no installer needed as images are distributed
11:27 < Gerald_K> #info later plan is to support multiple installers
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11:27 < Gerald_K> #info this is kind of "startup project", plan to superseed this in the future with a "real" project
11:27 < Gerald_K> #info goal is to get hands-on experience and create visibility
11:29 < Gerald_K> #info rprakash: is this just a sandbox installation (there are some sandboxes already available in our Wiki)? basically yes
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11:41 < bryan_att> #info we don't yet have a sandbox distro of OPNFV, especially anything that can be installed by anyone other than an expert, based upon customizing the CI/CD tools
11:42 < morgan_orange> my assumption, the community will be more than happy to integrate opencontrail as a SDN controller part of the OPNFV ecosystem
11:42  * ChrisPriceAB agrees
11:42 < morgan_orange> but the proposal (like oscar) is a bit monolithic
11:42 < morgan_orange> it should be integrate into installer / CI / test project
11:42 < bryan_att> #info any effort to create one, especially if we could install both/either ODL and OpenContrail, would be welcome to me
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11:44 < rajeev_> If Stuart is okay with a pointer on the wiki, it's a better to creating a project
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11:44 < rprakash> #info what constitutes a project ? If work group needs resource (security) we want   a Proejct same here for Snadbox?
11:48 < tallgren> We have used the sandox, it works....
11:51 < ChrisPriceAB> #info this is the link the "somewhat stale" sandbox page.  https://wiki.opnfv.org/wiki/sandbox
11:52 < rprakash> link# https://wiki.opnfv.org/wiki/sandbox
11:53 < aricg> yeah just go here actually. https://github.com/Aricg/PackStackSandBox
11:53 < rpaik> #info add this “QuickStart” as a developer resource (vs. a formal project)
11:54 < ChrisPriceAB> #topic AoB
11:54 < ChrisPriceAB> #endmeeting