14:59:13 #startmeeting Weekly TSC meeting 14:59:13 Meeting started Tue Jan 10 14:59:13 2017 UTC. The chair is tallgren. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:59:13 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:59:13 The meeting name has been set to 'weekly_tsc_meeting' 14:59:24 #info Tapio Tallgren 14:59:32 #info hongbo tian 14:59:49 #info Dave Neary 14:59:50 §info Tim Irnich 14:59:54 #info Jack Morgan (CAL) 15:00:01 #info Tim Irnich 15:00:29 #info Mark Beierl 15:00:42 #info Morgan Richomme 15:00:51 #info Bryan Sullivan 15:00:59 #info Edgar StPierre 15:01:05 #info Bin Hu 15:01:05 we have a quorum 15:01:08 #info Fatih Degirmenci 15:01:24 #topic approval of previous minutes 15:01:46 #info no comments on the minutes thus approved 15:02:02 #info Frank Brockners 15:02:06 #topic agenda bashing 15:02:19 # naga chumbalkar 15:02:22 #info Trevor Cooper for Brian Skerry 15:02:38 #info Uli Kleber 15:03:02 #info no additional topics suggested 15:03:20 #info Stuart Mackie 15:03:35 #topic opnfv.org site refresh 15:04:40 #info Brandon Wick notes that it was time for the opnfv.org site refresh after 2+ years 15:05:16 #info goal was simpler navigation, more visually compelling site, etc. 15:05:30 #info New site will come online next Monday 15:05:38 #info new site is scheduled to go live on January 16th 15:05:39 #chair rpaik 15:05:39 Current chairs: rpaik tallgren 15:05:51 #chair ChrisPriceAB 15:05:51 Current chairs: ChrisPriceAB rpaik tallgren 15:06:01 #info 15:06:02 bah, did I get noticed? 15:06:12 * ChrisPriceAB has no audio at this time. 15:06:24 You are always a notetaker :) 15:06:48 #info Xavier Costa 15:07:17 buildign Open NFV sounds a bit strange, it is the HPE NFV programm name... 15:07:26 #info Brandon gave a quick tour of the prototype site 15:07:33 What's the username and password for this website? 15:07:34 (End user menu) 15:08:15 #info Website revamp is at http://opnfv.wpengine.com 15:08:16 Love the new website look and feel!!!! 15:08:35 #info there is also a section to highlight projects and looking for community contributions 15:13:06 I hope security rules are ready...wordpress are so tempting... 15:13:22 #info any suggestions/feedback on the site is welcome after the site goes live 15:14:17 #info use of open NFV is fine. I held the original trademark filing for it and abandoned because it became too generic. 15:14:42 #topic scenario consolidation 15:15:28 #info Julien 15:15:41 #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/download/attachments/6823941/Scenario%20Consolidation%20Danube%20v1.pptx?version=1&modificationDate=1483971812000&api=v2 15:17:25 #info uli-k discusses opportunities for scenario consolidation as there are currently 58 scenarios for Danube 15:17:29 uli-k: if you right click on your name in the attendees list in GTM, you can edit your name 15:20:00 sorry, late for the meeting, what's the update for opnfv.org site? 15:20:23 Julien-zte: new site will launch on Monday, we got overview of changes 15:20:41 Julien-zte: feddback is welcome once its launched 15:20:50 jmorgan1, use opnfv.wpengine.com? 15:20:55 thanks jmorgan1 15:21:09 Julien-zte, a "refreshed" site will still be opnfv.org 15:21:14 Julien-zte: no that was the staging site that we don't have access to 15:21:30 rpaik: you mean www.opnfv.org rather 15:21:52 good ,thank all 15:22:31 Why do we talk about "support"? What does support mean? 15:22:40 To me it means giving a guarantee to users 15:22:49 #info "non-release" doesn't mean non-support - important point to amplify every time we talk about "non-release" 15:22:58 #info for HA vs NOHA, uli-k suggests having noha scenarios as "development-scenarios" 15:23:03 bryan_att, Q for you ^^^ 15:24:33 * bryan_att doesn't understand IRC glyph-speak, sorry 15:25:33 #info suggestion to continue the HA vs. NOHA on the Thursday technical discussions call 15:27:08 +1 to continuing later - my point was made and not intended as an invitation to go down this rabbit hole here 15:30:11 dneary, thanks I got a translation - "support" means we enable OPNFV developers to use non-HA test platforms to do OPNFV development. Just like devstack - an essential component of OpenStack's program and strategy for developer support. *Not* that we have to "release" or "certify" non-HA deployments. 15:32:03 #info uli-k also discussed other consolidation possibilities across installers 15:33:21 +1 with dneary 15:33:55 #info timirnich notes that after scenario reaches a certain maturity, they could be better candidates for "consolidation" (vs. continuing to be "isolated") 15:34:12 bryan_att, glyph translation: ^^^ = "look above" 15:35:27 dneary: ok, answered your question ^^^ (now I feel *so* cool) 15:35:28 #info uli-k will get also get in touch with community members from ODL to investigate further opportunities 15:35:41 bryan_att, \o/ 15:36:06 I thnk its good that Uli identifies the problem and has presented it now 15:36:43 then work on solutons in anther meeting, then bring them back for approval later 15:36:47 #topic Danube planning and activities 15:38:20 #info Intel lab has been offline during the holidays, and as a consequence many scenarios are behind the schedule 15:38:29 #info dmcbride notes that due to migration at Intel labs, large number of projects were impacted for MS5 work 15:38:31 :-) 15:39:10 #info proposal to postpone MS5 to Jan 27 and MS6 to Feb 17th 15:39:31 #info extra week for MS6 is to accommodate Chinese New Year's 15:39:58 #info no changes to the Danube release (March 27th) is recommended 15:41:34 #info MS7 (stable branch) will also remain March 10th 15:42:29 #info jmorgan1 notes that HF site is back online and the other site is scheduled to come back on line by the end of the week 15:44:48 dmcbride, makes sense 15:45:03 #info morgan_orange notes that this will likely have impact on testing project as integration period is compressed 15:45:45 #startvote Does TSC approve moving MS5 to Jan 27th and MS6 to Feb 17th? (-1, 0, +1) 15:45:45 Begin voting on: Does TSC approve moving MS5 to Jan 27th and MS6 to Feb 17th? Valid vote options are , -1, 0, +1, . 15:45:45 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 15:46:05 #undo 15:46:05 Removing item from minutes: 15:46:21 I agree witrh frankbrockners 15:47:04 #agree that TSC approve moving MS5 to Jan 27th and MS6 to Feb 17th 15:47:46 #topic tech discuss forum trial 15:50:21 #info ashyoung notes that there's a need for a better tool vs. email/Gerrit for community discussions 15:50:28 The email thread is pretty much impossible to read 15:50:39 for gerrit. It's useful as notification only, really 15:51:34 #info I started a new topic about the scenario consolidation on the discussion forum 15:51:35 link to this tool? 15:51:39 #link http://techdiscuss.yunify.org/t/scenario-consolidation/51 15:51:59 http://techdiscuss.yunify.org 15:52:16 why are we seeing gmail ? is that required? 15:52:21 * uli-k bryan_att: this directly brings you to the right topic ;-) 15:52:48 bryan_att: Ash is showing an email from techdicsuss that was received in gmail... 15:52:56 #info Discourse can be integrated with email (e.g. via notification, subscription, etc.) 15:53:10 bryan_att, He is just showing that it is possible to use this as a mailing list if you prefer 15:53:31 yes, but the question is whether the tool being discussed depends upon gmail 15:54:11 bryan_att, It does not 15:54:12 are there any regional restrictions on this tool? 15:54:14 bryan_att: sorry, did not understand that. I can confirm that it works from my Mac Mail using my @dell.com account 15:54:29 This is a hosted instance of Discourse - it's an open source tool 15:54:32 e.g. from Asia 15:54:55 bryan_att, Some forums may end up falling foul of GFW restrictions, but there is no inherent restriction in the tool 15:55:04 has anyone compared discourse to slack? 15:55:29 mbeierl, It's different 15:55:30 dneary: GFW? 15:55:38 great firewall of China 15:55:46 is there any inconvenient for using Gerrit? 15:55:59 Slack is more message channels, Discourse is more like discussion topics 15:56:33 Julien-zte, Gerrit is great for patch workflow, but difficult for discussions on patches 15:56:48 frankbrockners, It's possible to use this exclusively with email 15:56:50 a searchable email service/archive that is web-based is fine to add to the toolset, but not as a sole tool IMO - we still need a "legacy" email service. 15:57:04 #action ashyoung to discuss with LF team if there's a way for better email integrationm 15:57:08 frankbrockners, But there is no way to migrate email archives and subscriber lists, AFAIK 15:57:09 but the current email archive is woefully inadequate 15:57:17 #topic meetings wiki page 15:57:32 Mailman 3 was somewhat intended to provide a forum-like interface on top of Mailman email lists 15:57:37 Of recent email archive tools I've used, I find pony mail to be most pleasant. 15:57:57 #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/display/meetings 15:58:29 for patches, if we use a wider screen, it is comfortable for me, dneary 15:58:37 #link https://lists.opnfv.org/pipermail/opnfv-tech-discuss/2016-December/014182.html 15:58:39 Discourse comes at it from a different angle, where the discussion topic and conversation are the first order objects. Email integration is core, but not intended to be the primary interaction method, in my understanding 15:58:55 A proposal: create calendars per project 15:58:58 #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/display/meetings/Storperf+Team+Weekly+Meeting 15:59:07 having the calendar in one column reduces it's usefulness 16:01:00 I prefer to further reduce duplication of content and the inconsistencies we currently have 16:01:57 #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/display/ds/calendars 16:02:17 #info ^ is an example of including multiple calendars in one view 16:02:32 rpaik: Can you post the topic to the forum? 16:02:52 #action rpaik/mbeierl to start a another email discussion and followup at future TSC meetings 16:03:03 :-) aure ashyoung 16:03:07 #endmeeting