#opendaylight-meeting: TSC Meeting 5-29-2014

Meeting started by phrobb at 17:00:59 UTC (full logs).

Meeting summary

    1. Madhu Venugopal (Madhu, 17:01:09)

  2. TSC Members please #info into the meeting (phrobb, 17:01:58)
    1. regXboi still getting to webex (regXboi, 17:02:10)
    2. HELP: (kwatsen, 17:03:14)
    3. Ed Warnicke (edwarnicke, 17:03:15)
    4. Lenrow Present (lenrow, 17:03:25)
    5. Madhu Venugopal (Madhu, 17:03:31)
    6. Kent Watsen (kwatsen, 17:04:46)
    7. Chris Price is here (phrobb, 17:05:00)
    8. Rob Dolin proxy for Rajeev Nagar (MSFT) (RobDolin, 17:06:02)

  3. Agenda bashing (phrobb, 17:06:23)
    1. https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/TSC:Main (phrobb, 17:06:37)
    2. edwarnicke thanks auric and GiovanniMeo putting in weekly automated releases (regXboi, 17:08:36)
    3. Madhu points out this will be topic of next TWS call (regXboi, 17:08:50)

  4. Event Updates (regXboi, 17:09:08)
    1. Chris Price would like to join the committee (ChrsPriceAB, 17:09:13)
    2. phrobb asking for volunteers for program committies for upcoming events (regXboi, 17:09:30)
    3. TWS agenda for next week : https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Tech_Work_Stream:Main (Madhu, 17:09:36)

  5. SFC to join Helium Simultaneous Release (regXboi, 17:09:45)
    1. paulq apologizes for not realizing that there is a separate item for joining Helium Simultaneous Release (regXboi, 17:10:35)
    2. phrobb asks if there are questions from the TSC (regXboi, 17:10:47)
    3. Madhu has a question about whether it is possible for a new project joining now to join helium (regXboi, 17:11:44)
    4. ChirsPriceAB thinks that the TSC reserved the right to evaluate new projects on a case by case basis (regXboi, 17:12:34)
    5. phrobb concurs with that memory (regXboi, 17:12:44)
    6. RobDolin states this was written into the helium plan (regXboi, 17:13:10)
    7. Lenrow asks what are the dependencies of this module (regXboi, 17:13:28)
    8. ChrisPriceAB thinks there are dependencies going NB, but there are not dependencies going SB (regXboi, 17:13:51)
    9. https://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2014/opendaylight-meeting.2014-04-17-16.56.html <— has reference to what was discussed for projects (tbachman, 17:14:03)
    10. Lenrow asks if this means there are no changes driven SB (regXboi, 17:14:07)
    11. ChrisPriceAB states there may be changes driven SB, but these need to be done in a backward compatible way (regXboi, 17:14:33)
    12. Madhu says his question is answered (regXboi, 17:14:59)
    13. more discussion of case by case (regXboi, 17:16:28)
    14. kwatsen says while he his is ok with this, the release plan should be updated with information on how projects join a release (regXboi, 17:17:07)
    15. rmoats +1 (regXboi, 17:17:12)
    16. that should have been regXboi +1 to kwatsen's statement (regXboi, 17:18:04)
    17. question on whether we can close the door or not now (regXboi, 17:18:19)
    18. that q was from ChrisPriceAB (regXboi, 17:18:42)
    19. s/join a release/declare intent/ (on my statement captured by Ryan) (kwatsen, 17:19:07)
    20. concern from RobDolin that closing the door would be exclusive (regXboi, 17:19:24)
    21. Madhu has concern with needing to gate to ensure quality of release (regXboi, 17:20:21)
    22. RobDolin understands the needs for a long tail but says the conversation at that point should be along the lines of the questions Lenrow asked earlier in the conversation (regXboi, 17:20:55)
    23. phrobb asks if a vote is needed (regXboi, 17:21:50)
    24. regXboi asks if anybody has a reason not to let SFC into Helium (regXboi, 17:22:10)
    25. AGREED: with no objections the TSC allows SFC into the Helium release (regXboi, 17:23:16)

  6. TSC Charter Modifications (regXboi, 17:23:25)
    1. https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2014-May/001254.html (phrobb, 17:23:45)
    2. phrobb begins to explain the changes to the by laws and the TSC charter (regXboi, 17:25:53)
    3. these changes stemmed from the initial attempt to run an election of at-large committers (regXboi, 17:26:14)
    4. the TSC recommended that platinum members continue to be represented even if an at-large representative from the same platinum member company is elected (regXboi, 17:27:43)
    5. the board wanted to add language to remove the restriction at a particular point of time by the super majority of a board (regXboi, 17:28:27)
    6. so the process would be to first approve these changes to the bylaws and charter (regXboi, 17:29:02)
    7. and then the board would follow on by voting to remove the platinum member restriction for the purposes of this election (regXboi, 17:29:40)
    8. Madhu asks if the at-large committers could potentially be from the same company (RobDolin, 17:30:29)
    9. Proposed amendments are attached to an email sent by probb@linuxfoundation.org on Mon, 5/19 around 3pm (USA Pacific time) (RobDolin, 17:32:41)
    10. dbainbri asked why this a concern (regXboi, 17:39:50)
    11. phrobb represents the original concern which was the at-large election didn't work (regXboi, 17:41:16)
    12. dbainbri asks why the restriction is not an issue anymore (regXboi, 17:41:43)
    13. phrobb explains more of the background (apologies, I can't keep up with the discussion) (regXboi, 17:42:07)
    14. phrobb explains that the waiver language was to avoid requiring changing the bylaws multiple times (regXboi, 17:43:51)
    15. kwatsen was concerned about how the original issues were rpesented (regXboi, 17:45:55)
    16. robdolin tries to explain how the original issues were voting (regXboi, 17:46:14)
    17. that was David Lenrow, not RobDolin, I think (tbachman, 17:46:41)
    18. phrobb points out that the language is set up to allow for the restriction to be removed on a case by case basis (regXboi, 17:47:23)
    19. kwatsen claims that is not the case - the language for an existing member stepping down has been removed (regXboi, 17:47:59)
    20. phrobb agrees that the step down language needs to be reinstated (regXboi, 17:48:56)
    21. RobDolin suggests that if we are not agreeing on language, we should break this out to a subcommittee (regXboi, 17:49:47)
    22. edwarnicke agrees this would be useful (regXboi, 17:50:00)
    23. madhu asks where language about preventing at-large committers from the same platinum company (regXboi, 17:52:40)
    24. phrobb refers to section 4, buillet 3 (regXboi, 17:52:56)
    25. Phil Robb points-out that there is another section that suggests at-large seats must be from unaffiliated companies (RobDolin, 17:53:01)
    26. bullet 3 (regXboi, 17:53:04)
    27. edwarnicke points out that bullet 3 can be read to apply to the original election (regXboi, 17:53:39)
    28. dbainbri asked about affiliation (regXboi, 17:54:44)
    29. phrobb answer there is language (regXboi adds in that the language is in the by-laws) (regXboi, 17:55:22)
    30. Ed Warnicke suggests that we consider scoping the question to the languaging of previously agreed intent as a separate question from other questions being raised. (edwarnicke, 17:57:57)
    31. regXboi laughs hystericaly (edwarnicke, 17:59:08)
    32. Subcommittee volunteers: Ed, Kent, Phil, Rob (RobDolin, 18:00:08)
    33. ACTION: edwarnicke RobDolin kwatsen phrobb to make a small committee to craft language edits in bylaws and tsc charter to bring back to tsc for further discussion at next week's tsc meeting (phrobb, 18:00:32)
    34. Chris Price suggests we need to determine when the right of Platinum member to appoint expires (RobDolin, 18:00:47)
    35. Rob Dolin needs to drop off today's TSC ConCall and passes MSFT proxy to Ivan Wood (RobDolin, 18:02:39)
    36. Ivan Wood (IvanWood, 18:03:14)
    37. Vice Chair discussion will be deferred until dmm is back (regXboi, 18:03:34)
    38. kwatsen wants to split the two issues because while elections can close quickly, the VC discussion is still ongoing (regXboi, 18:04:34)
    39. phrobb says the language can be split if needed (regXboi, 18:04:53)
    40. edwarnicke distinctly remembers that the VC discussion is still open (regXboi, 18:05:13)
    41. phrobb says the VC language was also for review and to further discussion (regXboi, 18:05:32)

  7. OpenDaylight Security Analysis (regXboi, 18:06:30)
    1. https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/CrossProject:OpenDaylight_Security_Analysis (regXboi, 18:06:37)
    2. kwatsen asks w.r.t. load time signature checking, where will the private key be located? what about 3P off-line projects looking to integrate (regXboi, 18:09:58)
    3. Madhu answers that signing can be done with various private keys and checked with public keys, with support for importing additional public keys for checking (regXboi, 18:10:55)
    4. edwarnicke states that he put some effort into figuring how to sign bundles that go into nexus and that's hard to do in a reasonable way. (regXboi, 18:12:03)
    5. Madhu asks to explain (regXboi, 18:12:10)
    6. edwarnicke points out that the jenkins build system has to sign the artifacts and that is non trivial (regXboi, 18:12:32)
    7. getting artifacts signed in jenkins in a secure and reliable way is non-trivial in an open source project and automated release processes (phrobb, 18:13:14)
    8. the problem is not with the mechanics of signing but with the opensource mechanics of signing (regXboi, 18:13:15)
    9. Madhu wants to sign the release bundles only before they are pushed into nexus (regXboi, 18:14:03)
    10. (I think that is) (regXboi, 18:14:12)
    11. regXboi notes that significant overhead may be added to the build/debug process with the addition signed bundles (phrobb, 18:18:17)
    12. regXboi notes "security is goodness", we need to manage the mechanics as to not add significant overhead or complexity to the developer community who doesn't know how this works (phrobb, 18:20:18)
    13. Madhu notes that SNAPSHOT creation would be done in with security turned off. Bundle creation for end user consumption would include security/signing to give end user peace of mind in what they are running. (phrobb, 18:22:11)
    14. ken beck takes both sides of the discussion (regXboi, 18:22:32)
    15. , security also introduces bugs/errors adding complexity to the debug environment. This needs to be recognized as well. (phrobb, 18:23:02)
    16. discussion of karaf's remote management environment (regXboi, 18:24:54)
    17. madhu makes a point that some of these are available today (regXboi, 18:25:09)
    18. edwarnicke (personal statement) says that we aren't to karaf yet (regXboi, 18:25:28)
    19. madhu says we may need to enable the features in a non karaf enviro (regXboi, 18:25:49)
    20. edwarnicke also wants it noted he likes karaf and is (personal statement) supportive :) (edwarnicke, 18:26:13)
    21. +1s that :) (Madhu, 18:26:28)
    22. https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/OpenDaylight_OpenFlow_Plugin:Helium_Release_Plan - OFplugin has TLS support on its roadmap (edwarnicke, 18:28:03)
    23. https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Openflow_Protocol_Library:Candidate_RELEASE_Plan_2014 - as does OFjava (edwarnicke, 18:28:55)
    24. regXboi wants to thank the team for their effort - this is all *goodness* and the only question (in my mind) is how to get from here to there! (regXboi, 18:40:38)

  8. helium simultaneous release logistics (regXboi, 18:40:59)
    1. https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Simultaneous_Release:Helium_Release_Plan#Simultaneous_Release_Developer_Meetings (phrobb, 18:41:33)
    2. https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Simultaneous_Release:Helium_Release_Plan#Simultaneous_Release_Developer_Meetings (regXboi, 18:41:33)
    3. https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Simultaneous_Release:Helium_Release_Plan#Per_project_Simultaneous_Release_Contact (regXboi, 18:41:43)
    4. https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Simultaneous_Release:Helium_Release_Plan#Cross_Project_Milestone_and_Release_Candidate_Reporting (regXboi, 18:41:54)
    5. discussion between Madhu and edwarnicke about getting this to work (regXboi, 18:48:18)
    6. edwarnicke points to people implementing controller integration jobs (regXboi, 18:48:39)
    7. these are integration jobs that trigger a build in a project every time there is a merge in another project you depend on (LuisGomez, 18:50:40)
    8. https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/GettingStarted:Jenkins_Integration_Job_Setup (regXboi, 18:50:40)
    9. this is very useful to find other projects issues (LuisGomez, 18:51:36)


Meeting ended at 18:53:56 UTC (full logs).

Action items

  1. edwarnicke RobDolin kwatsen phrobb to make a small committee to craft language edits in bylaws and tsc charter to bring back to tsc for further discussion at next week's tsc meeting


Action items, by person

  1. edwarnicke
    1. edwarnicke RobDolin kwatsen phrobb to make a small committee to craft language edits in bylaws and tsc charter to bring back to tsc for further discussion at next week's tsc meeting
  2. kwatsen
    1. edwarnicke RobDolin kwatsen phrobb to make a small committee to craft language edits in bylaws and tsc charter to bring back to tsc for further discussion at next week's tsc meeting
  3. phrobb
    1. edwarnicke RobDolin kwatsen phrobb to make a small committee to craft language edits in bylaws and tsc charter to bring back to tsc for further discussion at next week's tsc meeting
  4. RobDolin
    1. edwarnicke RobDolin kwatsen phrobb to make a small committee to craft language edits in bylaws and tsc charter to bring back to tsc for further discussion at next week's tsc meeting


People present (lines said)

  1. regXboi (102)
  2. phrobb (18)
  3. edwarnicke (16)
  4. RobDolin (12)
  5. odl_meetbot (10)
  6. Madhu (5)
  7. tbachman (4)
  8. kwatsen (4)
  9. dbainbri (3)
  10. lenrow (2)
  11. alagalah_ (2)
  12. LuisGomez (2)
  13. ChrsPriceAB (2)
  14. ashaikh (1)
  15. IvanWood (1)
  16. ChrisPriceAB (0)


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