#opnfv-meeting: Project lifecycle review part 2

Meeting started by ildikov at 17:01:22 UTC (full logs).

Meeting summary

    1. Ray Nugent (RayNugent_, 17:03:25)
    2. Ildiko Vancsa (ildikov, 17:03:46)
    3. Daniel Smith (lmcdasm, 17:05:29)
    4. Bryan Sullivan (bryan_att, 17:05:54)
    5. Bin Hu (bin_, 17:06:10)
    6. This the followup meeting of Project Lifecycle Review (bin_, 17:15:41)
    7. Ildiko: there were some discussions on the mailing list (bin_, 17:16:06)
    8. Ildiko: categories were removed from the proposal (bin_, 17:16:30)
    9. #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/project_lifecycle_bylaws (ildikov, 17:17:11)
    10. #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/project_lifecycle (ildikov, 17:17:35)
    11. Ray: have we decided it will be an official OPNFV project, or not? (bin_, 17:17:45)
    12. Ray: Seems like we would have a better chance of changing bylaws if we were an official project (bin_, 17:20:16)
    13. Ildiko: we need TSC approval, and Board approval if we want to change bylaws (bin_, 17:20:50)
    14. Ray: we have a better chance to get Board approval if we have a project (bin_, 17:22:11)
    15. Ildiko: Not sure if we can have "governance" project (bin_, 17:22:44)
    16. Ildiko: lots of admin overheads (bin_, 17:22:59)
    17. Ray: contributors may participate on a regular basis if we have a project (bin_, 17:23:48)
    18. Ildiko: not 100% sure that it needs regular project work (bin_, 17:24:33)
    19. Iben: no time to participate as a formal project (bin_, 17:25:25)
    20. Bryan: perhaps a standing committee may work? (bin_, 17:26:20)
    21. Ildiko: this activity not often all the time (bin_, 17:29:52)
    22. Ildiko: handle it on demand (bin_, 17:30:30)
    23. Ray: not suggest to continuously change the process (bin_, 17:30:55)
    24. Ray: not weekly meeting, but convene as needed when issues arise (bin_, 17:31:50)
    25. Ildiko: we can start this topic further on mailing list (bin_, 17:32:42)
    26. Ildiko: we may not need this permanent group, but let's discuss it further on mailing list (bin_, 17:33:28)
    27. Ildiko: let us focus on discussing the proposal (bin_, 17:34:25)
    28. Ildiko: any comment on the proposal in wiki page? (bin_, 17:34:59)
    29. Ray: concern on defining lifecycle without knowing the review process (bin_, 17:35:50)
    30. Ildiko: only a few changes (summarized in email) (bin_, 17:37:08)
    31. Ildiko: lifecycle is more or less the same as summarized in wiki page (bin_, 17:39:01)
    32. original project lifecycle page: #link https://www.opnfv.org/developers/technical-project-governance/project-lifecycle (ildikov, 17:39:46)
    33. Ildiko: just removed those project "categories", and consolidate metrics (bin_, 17:39:47)
    34. Ray: this is gated process, we don't have infra setup for reviews except creation review. (bin_, 17:42:28)
    35. Ildiko: it is not about daily work of each project. OPNFV is young. Graduation review may happen after a few releases. (bin_, 17:44:36)
    36. Ray: if I am already in a release, what is the value of having those reviews? (bin_, 17:47:12)
    37. Ildiko: really no good answer, but it is defined by bylaws and expected by Board (bin_, 17:47:50)
    38. Ildiko: we have plenty of time to address it, but we may not be able to address it at the beginning (bin_, 17:50:15)
    39. Ildiko: any argument of proposal - i.e. removing the categories, and slight consolidation of metrics listed on wiki pages? (bin_, 17:54:00)
    40. Ildiko: understand the silence means agreement on the proposal on wiki page (bin_, 17:54:57)
    41. My concerns stand (RayNugent_, 17:54:57)
    42. Ildiko: will bring it to TSC for review (bin_, 17:56:14)
    43. Ray: review before or after Board approval of bylaws? (bin_, 17:57:06)
    44. Ildiko: Board approves first, then work on other issues. TSC agreement first, Board approval next. (bin_, 17:58:07)
    45. I'm concerned the board will identify the unresolved issues and ask us to fix before they approve. Small steps may not be an acceptable strategy (RayNugent_, 17:59:19)
    46. Bryan: small step is fine, and we need to move forward (bin_, 17:59:27)
    47. Ildiko: agreement here and get TSC agreement first, then Board approval. (bin_, 18:00:54)
    48. Ildiko: will send follow-up mail to the mailing list. (bin_, 18:02:07)
    49. meeting adjourned (bin_, 18:02:16)


Meeting ended at 18:02:40 UTC (full logs).

Action items

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