#opnfv-meeting: Weekly Technical Discussion 155

Meeting started by bh526r at 13:00:34 UTC (full logs).

Meeting summary

  1. Roll Call (bh526r, 13:01:55)
    1. Bin Hu (bh526r, 13:02:00)
    2. Cedric Ollivier (bh526r, 13:02:07)
    3. Jack Morgan (jentoio, 13:02:07)
    4. Rex Lee (mj_rex, 13:02:12)
    5. Georg Kunz (bh526r, 13:02:24)
    6. Jim Baker (bh526r, 13:02:48)
    7. Mark Shostak (bh526r, 13:03:05)
    8. Mike Fix (bh526r, 13:03:12)
    9. Denver Williams (bh526r, 13:03:44)
    10. Pierre Lynch (bh526r, 13:03:50)
    11. Guangzhi Yang (bh526r, 13:05:07)
    12. Manuel Buil (bh526r, 13:05:27)

  2. Community Input to TSC Logistics (bh526r, 13:06:22)
    1. Trevor Cooper (bh526r, 13:08:14)
    2. Jack Morgan started the problem statement, i.e. Wiki notes is not enough, so Jim Baker started the topic of recording TSC meeting (bh526r, 13:09:11)
    3. Mark Beierl (mbeierl, 13:09:27)
    4. Trevor Cooper indicated that the real issue we need to solve is the minutes. (bh526r, 13:09:45)
    5. Recording the meeting is not the only way to address the issue. (bh526r, 13:10:01)
    6. We don't feel we are tackling the issues, but only the pros and cons of recording. (bh526r, 13:10:33)
    7. We took the vote, but people really didn't understand what we really voted, and what we really tried to address (bh526r, 13:11:14)
    8. Looking back to the email thread, it is very confusing. (bh526r, 13:11:44)
    9. Georg indicated that we still need to improve the minutes, and recording is a tool to address this issue. Georg considered it as optional offering (bh526r, 13:12:28)
    10. Trevor disagreed, and indicated that it is very sensitive topic, not only cultural thing, but personal reasons, and really make persons hesitant to be engaged in meetings (bh526r, 13:14:10)
    11. Georg asked if anyone has issues with recording, because other communities all do recording. (bh526r, 13:15:28)
    12. Georg thinks it is a valid choice (bh526r, 13:15:52)
    13. Jack Morgan thinks it is LFN's normal practice (bh526r, 13:16:31)
    14. Mark said he missed several TSC meetings, and recording will be helpful to him. (bh526r, 13:17:26)
    15. Bin gave security concern, and an example how real person's voice can be edited to something else. (bh526r, 13:26:15)
    16. Cédric asked how can TSC vote a new constraint without diving into security and legals and more it simply divided the community which is not our first target. (ollivier, 13:28:29)
    17. Jack Morgan also agreed that recording without all-party's consent is a crime in California (bh526r, 13:28:54)
    18. Cédric doesn't consider the first motivations as clear and we are still finding the root causes. (ollivier, 13:30:20)
    19. Jack also pointed out that anyone can record the meeting (mbeierl, 13:31:08)
    20. Trevor indicated that whether or not other community is recording is irrelevant of our community (bh526r, 13:31:24)
    21. The editing and publishing of such a meeting cannot be refuted due to the fact that there is no official recording, so security concerns should be even more so relevant without recording (mbeierl, 13:31:37)
    22. Al Morton (listening in a noisy coffee shop) (acmacm, 13:32:43)
    23. Cedric mentioned that we cannot address this topic without addressing legal concerns. (bh526r, 13:36:59)
    24. Al Morton (bh526r, 13:40:52)
    25. Cedric indicated that we have voted something that is very unclear in terms of legal complications, security concerns, etc. (bh526r, 13:42:50)
    26. Cédric it would have been voted -1 in code reviews due to a simple misconception. (ollivier, 13:44:45)
    27. Cedric suggested that everyone can take ownership, and take note of whatever that person wants to present (bh526r, 13:47:45)
    28. Trevor indicated that there is no clear policy, etc. (bh526r, 13:51:25)
    29. So it is wrong way. So we need to have policy regarding meeting minutes. (bh526r, 13:52:07)
    30. Jack suggested that we should start with how to run TSC meeting (bh526r, 13:53:55)
    31. Bin made it clear that TSC business needs to be discussed in TSC meeting, not in community meeting (bh526r, 13:54:42)
    32. Jack gave Trevor an action to propose how to address that issue (bh526r, 13:56:02)
    33. TSC has a policy that the meeting minutes must be approved. This would give participants a chance to correct IRC minutes, if necessary. This was important a few minutes ago... (acmacm, 13:57:04)
    34. Mark B made it clear that according to discussion, recording cannot be implemented until policy and procedure is well defined to address those legal and security concerns. So no recording tomorrow Oct 22 (bh526r, 13:59:11)
    35. Mark B clarified that in TSC meeting on Oct 15, next step is to define policy procedure. We are not making decision for TSC, but clarify what TSC decided last week. So the clarification is from what TSC decided last week (bh526r, 14:02:59)
    36. No other business (bh526r, 14:04:17)
    37. Meeting adjourned (bh526r, 14:04:22)


Meeting ended at 14:04:25 UTC (full logs).

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  2. mbeierl (5)
  3. ollivier (3)
  4. collabot (3)
  5. acmacm (2)
  6. jentoio (1)
  7. mj_rex (1)


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